Re: Which VPN?
By: Phigan to Tracker1 on Wed Jul 05 2023 02:01 pm

Personally, I recommend against using torrents at all. All the stuff is on u

Torrent over I2P works fine.

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Re: Re: Which VPN?
By: Phigan to paulie420 on Thu Jul 06 2023 12:40 pm

Re: Re: Which VPN?
By: paulie420 to Phigan on Wed Jul 05 2023 08:55 pm

I get a letter on xfinity anytime I torrent w/o a VPN. Standard issue.

What's the gist of it? Is it just from them or do they say they were notifie >
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What I have heard is copyright holders hire agents to pester torrent swarms andcover for movies which they deem worth protecting (which I guess are the recentones). These agents locate torrent swarms for those movies, join as a regular
downloader, notice which peers are members of the swarm and then register whichones can be threatened.

Not much of an issue in Spain. Spanish movie industry does not have much worth pirating and I don t think we are gonna do the work required to protect foreigner movies.

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Re: Re: Which VPN?
By: Moondog to Phigan on Fri Jul 07 2023 11:14 am

There's legitimate purposes for torrent clients. The ISP can see what you'r > downloading and determine if it's a linux distro or a movie

Lots of torrent users nowadays use encrypted leases. What you are downloading isn t exactly a secret but I doubt it is easy for an isolated ISP to learn whatyou are downloading.

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Re: Re: Which VPN?
By: MRO to Nightfox on Sat Jul 08 2023 05:08 pm

arent vpns usually much much slower, though?
i wouldnt want to stream movies on a vpn.

I don t know about full VPN solutions. Setting an http/https proxy on a server in a remote datacenter certainly seems to do the trick*

* you have to ensure your proxy is not adding headers to your connection that give away your real IP, though.

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Re: Re: Which VPN?
By: paulie420 to Phigan on Sat Jul 08 2023 05:33 pm

Xfinity (attempts to) snoops so badly that they send a letter with t > Ph> > of what you downloaded! Something to the effect of (from memory):

Woooow, that really sucks. I'm pretty glad there is usenet :).

I mean... nothing that a VPN or proxy doesn't quash easily. Then, with all t >
Hell, throw everything behind Tails or TOR if yer really paranoid and be don >
I've created a separate torrent machine that only does that. I can text mess > older.

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Tor sucks for Torrenting.

First of all, it is abusing a chronically overloaded network run by volunteers by ussing an agressive protocol that is known for overloading networks.

Then, Tor is only good for delivering outgoing connections, so you won t seed any of the files you download and your download performance will suck.

Finally, Tor is good for TCP only and therefore has information leaks that sellyou away, and the Tor dudes expresely say so.

Best anonimity layer for torrents these days is I2P, in my opinion. Its main drawback is you will get dial-up speeds.

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Re: Re: Which VPN?
By: Gamgee to Tracker1 on Sun Jul 09 2023 06:33 pm

Tracker1 wrote to Gamgee <=-

In my area, or at least the location of my house, that is not an option > Ga> assuming one wants broadband/cable internet access. Yes, that's right,
there are still plenty of monopolies allowed to do business. My ISP (a major/nationwide one) is one of them.

If you have good cellular signal, that can be a decent
alternative... slightly higher pings and lower throughput than
wired options, but still relatively decent and well-priced.

What?? LOL

So....... I should use my phone as a "hot spot" to provide internet
access for watching TV / streaming NetFlix / internet access for at
least a dozen devices in the house, including my BBS?

What if I'm not home (and my cellphone is with me). How do things work then?

Come on man.

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Many ISP will give you a router with 4G capability. You just connect all your home stuff to it as if it were a regular ADSL or fibre subscription.

It sucks because, being a cellular network, the quality of the connection won tbe steady and you are likely to be subjected to datacaps. Still, it is an
option for some people.

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Re: Re: Which VPN?
By: Gamgee to Khronos on Mon Jul 10 2023 08:22 pm

Ahhh, OK. Didn't know about that. Sounds like a significant cost, for likely crappy performance, and not being able to use the custom router
that I'm using now. Not even a remote chance of such a thing happening.

People who use this things usually do for one of the following reasons:

* They live in an isolated area where no ISP will ever bring cabling.
* They want a router they can carry arround so they can build a mini LAN aroundit without having to call the ISP every time they travel in order to get a
cable.

People like me are the primary audience for the first type. I am lucky because there is a Wimax provider. Wimax subscriptions are much slower but their quality of service is very steady.

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Re: Which VPN?
By: Arelor to Phigan on Thu Jul 13 2023 12:37 pm

From a network administration perspective, bittorrent is evil incarnate. A bittorrent client generates multiple connections which take a lot of bandwidth.That is a higher strain for networking equipment than just downloading a file
from a website. I have seen bittorent clients bring down LAN segments because they overloaded the QoS queues of their upstream router.

well your network administrator needs to go take some classes.
that should not happen. and the default settings of torrent clients wont really bring anything to its knees.

ISP hate torrent because ISP oversell more bandwidth than they have and a smallammount of torrenters places a lot of stress on them.

everyone streams nowadays. i'm sure if they have concerns they are more worried about that.
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Re: Which VPN?
By: Arelor to Phigan on Thu Jul 13 2023 12:37 pm

From a network administration perspective, bittorrent is evil incarnate. A bittorrent client generates multiple connections which take a lot of bandwidth.That is a higher strain for networking equipment than just downloading a file
from a website. I have seen bittorent clients bring down LAN segments because they overloaded the QoS queues of their upstream router.

Isn't part of the point of BitTorrent to help you get the most speed by connecting to many different people offering the same file?

ISP hate torrent because ISP oversell more bandwidth than they have and a smallammount of torrenters places a lot of stress on them.

I haven't heard this, but I'd think that rather than ISPs complaining about it, they could make their network better.

And they don t care if you are sued or whatever because most likely you are going to have to hire an ISP anyway.

What do you mean by "hire" here?

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Re: Which VPN?
By: MRO to Arelor on Thu Jul 13 2023 05:08 pm

ISP hate torrent because ISP oversell more bandwidth than they have
and a smallammount of torrenters places a lot of stress on them.

everyone streams nowadays. i'm sure if they have concerns they are more worried about that.

How is that realted to BitTorrent use? Sure, people sometimes download movies & TV shows via BitTorrent, but that isn't BitTorrent's only use. A lot of Linux distros are offered for download via BitTorrent.

Nightfox

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Re: Re: Which VPN?
By: Arelor to Gamgee on Thu Jul 13 2023 01:07 pm

Re: Re: Which VPN?
By: Gamgee to Khronos on Mon Jul 10 2023 08:22 pm

Ahhh, OK. Didn't know about that. Sounds like a significant cost, for likely crappy performance, and not being able to use the custom router that I'm using now. Not even a remote chance of such a thing happening.

People who use this things usually do for one of the following reasons:

* They live in an isolated area where no ISP will ever bring cabling.
* They want a router they can carry arround so they can build a mini LAN aro cable.

People like me are the primary audience for the first type. I am lucky becau there is a Wimax provider. Wimax subscriptions are much slower but their quality of service is very steady.

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non-existant. In the township north of me they gt grany money and Midwest Ene rgy ran fiber all over the township. I'm a half mile on the wrong side of
the township border. I'm hoping my township follows through and applies for the grant money to run fiber. My neighbor down the road tried out a T-mobile
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Re: Which VPN?
By: Nightfox to MRO on Thu Jul 13 2023 04:57 pm

Re: Which VPN?
By: MRO to Arelor on Thu Jul 13 2023 05:08 pm

ISP hate torrent because ISP oversell more bandwidth than they have
and a smallammount of torrenters places a lot of stress on them.

everyone streams nowadays. i'm sure if they have concerns they are more worried about that.

How is that realted to BitTorrent use?

because HE said:

ISP hate torrent because ISP oversell more bandwidth than they have
and a smallammount of torrenters places a lot of stress on them.

and i said what i did because streams take up a lot of bandwidth.

but that isn't BitTorrent's only use. A
lot of Linux distros are offered for download via BitTorrent.

when most people think of torrenting, they think of pirating.
that's why years ago you could not run a legit torrent site with most reliable dedicated hosting providers.

torrents are a great way to save bandwidth for file distribution and game updating. unfortunately a lot of people don't forward their ports, or are unconnectable for othe reasons.
there's a lot of dumb people out there. when i ran bbstorrents i had people download all the files 5-6 times. I have no idea why. it's like they didn't know where the files went.
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Hi all. Which VPN service do you use?

I use ProtonVPN. You can test their free access, their client is free
software, their customer service is knowledgeable (about GNU/Linux at least) and the price I got was interesting (during a special pricing period). They are based in Switzerland, so you can P2P all you want, it's legal.
The downside?
Your Internet throughput is going to be lower than what you get without ProtonVPN. Apart from that, I heard very good things about Mullvad.

I use a VPN because where I live, everyhthing is logged and kept forever
in an "extralegal" manner, which I really don't like.

When it comes to downloading, I use IRC (just take a look at Wikipedia's
XDCC article). Low retention, but you can request stuff and usually get awesome download speeds. Remember: copying is not stealing :)

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Re: Re: Which VPN?
By: Moondog to Arelor on Thu Jul 13 2023 10:01 pm

of
the township border. I'm hoping my township follows through and applies for the grant money to run fiber. My neighbor down the road tried out a T-mobile 5g gateway, and they couldn't get a solid enough signal.

are you sure they gave him a 5g gateway? they would only let me try out a 4g gateway which was useless to me

that's too bad you live out there, you hve to pray for the tesla blimps.
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Re: Re: Which VPN?
By: Shanen to HusTler on Wed Jul 12 2023 10:27 pm

When it comes to downloading, I use IRC (just take a look at Wikipedia's XDCC article). Low retention, but you can request stuff and usually get awesome download speeds. Remember: copying is not stealing :)

yeah it is.
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Re: Which VPN?
By: Arelor to Phigan on Thu Jul 13 2023 12:37 pm

From a network administration perspective, bittorrent is evil incarnate. A bittorrent client generates multiple connections which take a lot of bandwidth.That is a higher strain for networking equipment than just

It's actually the broadcast traffic that makes the big difference. Regular routed TCP traffic is fine, that is what the neworking equipment was made to handle, but torrents attempt to be decentralized so make a lot of broadcast noise to find other torrent clients nearby. I suppose if you had enough of them on one "local" network it might generate enough to crash crappy equipment :).

In the US and A, most of the bigger ISPs seem to go the "we'll take care of it" approach to the DMCA requests, which is preferable to the alternative.

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Re: Which VPN?
By: Arelor to Phigan on Thu Jul 13 2023 12:38 pm

Personally, I recommend against using torrents at all. All the stuff is o

Torrent over I2P works fine.

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Re: Re: Which VPN?
By: Arelor to Phigan on Thu Jul 13 2023 12:43 pm

What I have heard is copyright holders hire agents to pester torrent swarms andcover for movies which they deem worth protecting (which I guess are the recentones). These agents locate torrent swarms for those movies, join as a regular
downloader, notice which peers are members of the swarm and then register whichones can be threatened.

That is exactly what happens here (in the US and A) except I'm pretty sure they don't discriminate with "worth protecting" and "which ones can be threatened". It's probably an automated process. ANY material copyrighted by said employer seen being distributed (uploaded, which happens when you torrent) gets a DMCA take-down request sent to the identified distributor (the ISP that owns the IP address seen uploading).

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Re: Which VPN?
By: MRO to Arelor on Thu Jul 13 2023 05:08 pm

well your network administrator needs to go take some classes.
that should not happen. and the default settings of torrent clients wont re >

Yes, it should not happen, but back then the client computer was rejecting ICMPsource quench pakets and was making way more connections than default. The
router had a weak CPU even back in the day and I think the traffic control system for QoS was using an stochastick Queue somewhere in the Queue tree. Those Queues respond very, very badly to surges of traffic that generate multiple connections at once because they try to provide networking resources equaly to every individual connection.

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Re: Which VPN?
By: Nightfox to Arelor on Thu Jul 13 2023 04:55 pm

Isn't part of the point of BitTorrent to help you get the most speed by conn >

ISP hate torrent because ISP oversell more bandwidth than they have and > Ar> smallammount of torrenters places a lot of stress on them.

I haven't heard this, but I'd think that rather than ISPs complaining about >

And they don t care if you are sued or whatever because most likely you > Ar> are going to have to hire an ISP anyway.

What do you mean by "hire" here?

Precisely, BitTorrent is about maximizing your capability of getting files, notabout being nice to the network infrastructure.

Infrastructure overselling is ubicuous in lots of fields. For example, water supplies in a condo are not prepared to satisty the sum of the nominal target preasures of every tap in the building. If you open all the taps in a condo at once you will find you don't get much water out of each. The reason is that whoever designs the water distribution system oversells water supply capacity and assumes only a percentage of users will open their taps at a given moment of the day.

This also applies to power distribution.

And yes, if you misscalculate and oversell so much that your system crumbles under the load, it is your fault for doing a bad estimation and you should fix it. Still, a user leaving all his taps open to the max all day would be nevertheless a bad neighbor.

Hiring an ISP here would mean getting an Internet Subscription.

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Re: Which VPN?
By: Arelor to Nightfox on Fri Jul 14 2023 08:51 pm

likely you are going to have to hire an ISP anyway.

What do you mean by "hire" here?

Hiring an ISP here would mean getting an Internet Subscription.

Ah. Generally I don't hear people say they "hire" an ISP.

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Re: Which VPN?
By: Nightfox to Arelor on Sat Jul 15 2023 01:41 pm

Ah. Generally I don't hear people say they "hire" an ISP.

In Spain you "hire" an ISP. What you don't do is get an "ADSL Subscription" from an ISP. XD

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Re: Which VPN?
By: Arelor to Phigan on Thu Jul 13 2023 12:37:20

From a network administration perspective, bittorrent is evil incarnate. A bittorrent client generates multiple connections which take a lot of bandwidth.That is a higher strain for networking equipment than just downloading a file

More than the bulk of people using Netflix or YouTube? I mean, yeah it's async service at the user level, but the connections at the ISP are generally duplex connections. My understanding is that streaming video is the *VAST* majority of network traffic. Torrents are a bit more bursty, but that can be throttled via QOS. Not to mention that torrents are often better compressed content than streaming video, for compatibility with legacy streaming devices.


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Re: Which VPN?
By: Tracker1 to Arelor on Sun Jul 16 2023 12:10 am

More than the bulk of people using Netflix or YouTube? I mean, yeah it's as > . Torrents are a bit more bursty, but that can be throttled via QOS. Not t >

When you stream a video from a server, you make a limited and contained number of connections to that server.

A Bittorrent client tends to generate a connection to every peer it can find, and generates periodic broadcast traffic. Those are lots of intermitent connections that come and go. A stream from Netflix that uses all of your bandwidth uses less new connections than a torrent download that uses all your bandwidth. Every connection has to go into the packet filter before the routinggear can place it on fastrack (if using paket filters) and then certain QoS
disciplines tend to starve when required to work with multiple simultaneous connections.

My home uplink is quite limited and the difference shows. Youtubing max speed generates less impact on the rest of the LAN users than torrenting. None of them maks the network unusable for the other users, but you do notice when somebody is trying to torrent anything.

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Re: Which VPN?
By: Arelor to Tracker1 on Sun Jul 16 2023 04:33 am

A Bittorrent client tends to generate a connection to every peer it can find, and generates periodic broadcast traffic. Those are lots of intermitent connections that come and go. A stream from Netflix that uses

there are set limits to this in every client to optomize the download and seeding.
it does not max out a computer or networks abilities.

My home uplink is quite limited and the difference shows. Youtubing max speed generates less impact on the rest of the LAN users than torrenting. None of them maks the network unusable for the other users, but you do notice when somebody is trying to torrent anything.

that's probably because of the outgoing connections. and your connection
and network probably sucks.
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Re: Which VPN?
By: MRO to Arelor on Sun Jul 16 2023 06:41 am

that's probably because of the outgoing connections. and your connection and network probably sucks.

Yes, my home connection sucks. This is public knowledge.

Some people changes their torrent client settings to non-nice mode, which is where problems lay.

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Re: Which VPN?
By: Nightfox to Phigan on Mon Jul 03 2023 10:01 am

Re: Which VPN?
By: Phigan to Hustler on Mon Jul 03 2023 08:44 am

- Using torrents or similar file-sharing type services on a network tha blocks them (public hotspots sometimes) or simply from a network other

When you use those VPN services, they know what your originating IP is, what your destination IP is, and what kind of traffic you're sending to that destination. It's the same stuff that your ISP would know if you weren't using the VPN. I'm not sure what difference it makes which one them has that information. You're already paying your ISP, so unless yo have some reason not to trust them, why would you go trust some other rando any more than them?

If you do any torrenting, some ISPs actively monitor torrent activity, where ISP with that information..

Nightfox

I agree in that I believe most western ISPs (US, Canada, UK etc.) cooperate with law enforcement if that's your concern. They are, as mentioned, good for viewing content blocked in your region. They're not going to keep the FBI el al off your doorstep.

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